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	<title>Comments on: Defining trouble with definitions</title>
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		<title>By: Andreas</title>
		<link>http://www.nonformality.org/2010/01/defining-trouble/#comment-20535</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nonformality.org/2009/11/defining-nonformal-learning/#comment-20455&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;As I said&lt;/a&gt; in the discussion about the definition of non-formal education and learning:

We facilitate participatory and learner-centred education with the noble aim to empower people, and our educational approach is therefore necessarily rooted in fair power relations between educators and learners.

But without a clear definition the power leverage will always be on our side, it will always be in favour of the educator. Being learner-centred should also mean being able to clearly explain why and what we do and how – not after or during an educational experience, but before.

Until we have a clear definition, we betray our own principles &#8211; we limit the participatory elements of the educational experience we provide. 

&lt;strong&gt;We do not quite walk the talk, do we?&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.nonformality.org/2009/11/defining-nonformal-learning/#comment-20455" rel="nofollow">As I said</a> in the discussion about the definition of non-formal education and learning:</p>
<p>We facilitate participatory and learner-centred education with the noble aim to empower people, and our educational approach is therefore necessarily rooted in fair power relations between educators and learners.</p>
<p>But without a clear definition the power leverage will always be on our side, it will always be in favour of the educator. Being learner-centred should also mean being able to clearly explain why and what we do and how – not after or during an educational experience, but before.</p>
<p>Until we have a clear definition, we betray our own principles &#8211; we limit the participatory elements of the educational experience we provide. </p>
<p><strong>We do not quite walk the talk, do we?</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Bastian</title>
		<link>http://www.nonformality.org/2010/01/defining-trouble/#comment-20534</link>
		<dc:creator>Bastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one of the rather important questions we should ask ourselves before we go into the exercise or hacking on words, fine-tuning meanings, sieve thru redundancies, etc. should be: Why?!
What purpose has it to define non-formal education and for whom? Is it for within the &#039;szene&#039;, so we can debate with a better vocabulary and sharpen it&#039;s meaning to improve our praxis? Is it for &#039;outside&#039;, so we can describe within one minute what we do and what added value it has?

Who wants the definition? I think the answer for that will bring us a step further to actually producing one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one of the rather important questions we should ask ourselves before we go into the exercise or hacking on words, fine-tuning meanings, sieve thru redundancies, etc. should be: Why?!<br />
What purpose has it to define non-formal education and for whom? Is it for within the &#8216;szene&#8217;, so we can debate with a better vocabulary and sharpen it&#8217;s meaning to improve our praxis? Is it for &#8216;outside&#8217;, so we can describe within one minute what we do and what added value it has?</p>
<p>Who wants the definition? I think the answer for that will bring us a step further to actually producing one.</p>
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