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		<title>By: Pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.nonformality.org/2005/09/myth-or-mystery/#comment-8110</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 11:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi there,

Just would like to express what for me itas a big flaw: The social &quot;elitism&quot; of the Youth Work.
i would say theres a lot of elitism, in the way that the empowerment of youngsters is one of the big aims. Also it should be a &quot;raiser&quot; of citizens for Europe, and for the World.
But... I see a lot youngsters, and youth with good lifes, missusing funds, and doing a lot of things, but actually doing nothing, besides talkng and, and talking, and doing their work in bubbles (meaning that, the outcomes (if there is any) stay within.
I ight be seing things from a too &quot;pink and fluffy&quot; perspective but... where are the oppurtunities, for youngsters with less oppurtunities, youngsters who would really need some non formal education, because the one they get, is not really existing, leaving then many times alone in their thoughts and decisions.
Maybe I have a wrong perspective of youth work. Or I&#039;m Utopic.
Enjoy your lifes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there,</p>
<p>Just would like to express what for me itas a big flaw: The social &#8220;elitism&#8221; of the Youth Work.<br />
i would say theres a lot of elitism, in the way that the empowerment of youngsters is one of the big aims. Also it should be a &#8220;raiser&#8221; of citizens for Europe, and for the World.<br />
But&#8230; I see a lot youngsters, and youth with good lifes, missusing funds, and doing a lot of things, but actually doing nothing, besides talkng and, and talking, and doing their work in bubbles (meaning that, the outcomes (if there is any) stay within.<br />
I ight be seing things from a too &#8220;pink and fluffy&#8221; perspective but&#8230; where are the oppurtunities, for youngsters with less oppurtunities, youngsters who would really need some non formal education, because the one they get, is not really existing, leaving then many times alone in their thoughts and decisions.<br />
Maybe I have a wrong perspective of youth work. Or I&#8217;m Utopic.<br />
Enjoy your lifes.</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Karsten</title>
		<link>http://www.nonformality.org/2005/09/myth-or-mystery/#comment-5425</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Karsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tine chimes in with some thoughts on quality of youth work and youth training over &lt;a href=&quot;http://radinja.blogspot.com/2007/12/dr-q.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;at his blog&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tine chimes in with some thoughts on quality of youth work and youth training over <a href="http://radinja.blogspot.com/2007/12/dr-q.html" rel="nofollow">at his blog</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Karsten</title>
		<link>http://www.nonformality.org/2005/09/myth-or-mystery/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Karsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Mark, the day when I wrote this comment I had stumbled upon a story by Will Richardson on Weblogg-ed, describing one example of language teaching using IT. Many more stories like this, of course, but I think it gives a good picture, and the Weblogg-ed blog is a good starting point to explore. So here you go: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weblogg-ed.com/2005/09/17#a3974&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Students producing Content for real audiences&lt;/a&gt;!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark, the day when I wrote this comment I had stumbled upon a story by Will Richardson on Weblogg-ed, describing one example of language teaching using IT. Many more stories like this, of course, but I think it gives a good picture, and the Weblogg-ed blog is a good starting point to explore. So here you go: <a href="http://www.weblogg-ed.com/2005/09/17#a3974" rel="nofollow">Students producing Content for real audiences</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: mark taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.nonformality.org/2005/09/myth-or-mystery/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>mark taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, please tell us what made you most excited about IT in the classroom! Be very interested to hear!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, please tell us what made you most excited about IT in the classroom! Be very interested to hear!</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Karsten</title>
		<link>http://www.nonformality.org/2005/09/myth-or-mystery/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Karsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 07:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Don&#039;t let schooling interfere with your education&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s a quote by Mark Twain, and there are a number of different linguistic versions flying around: &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt; uses &quot;Never let school interfere with your education&quot;, for example.

Thanks for your cheers, Chris! I agree with your argument that formal education very often uses teaching techniques proven to be inefficient, not seldomly even iniquitous. 

Isn&#039;t it ironic that parts of the research on learning is happening in formal education institutions?

On the other hand there also are areas in which formal education is way ahead of the non-formal sphere. What I am aware of most at the moment is the whole area of information technology - what I have seen and read about its usage in the classroom is absolutely exciting and imaginative!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t let schooling interfere with your education&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s a quote by Mark Twain, and there are a number of different linguistic versions flying around: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> uses &#8220;Never let school interfere with your education&#8221;, for example.</p>
<p>Thanks for your cheers, Chris! I agree with your argument that formal education very often uses teaching techniques proven to be inefficient, not seldomly even iniquitous. </p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it ironic that parts of the research on learning is happening in formal education institutions?</p>
<p>On the other hand there also are areas in which formal education is way ahead of the non-formal sphere. What I am aware of most at the moment is the whole area of information technology &#8211; what I have seen and read about its usage in the classroom is absolutely exciting and imaginative!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Armbruster</title>
		<link>http://www.nonformality.org/2005/09/myth-or-mystery/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Armbruster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Sep 2005 08:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One should never let the schooling interfere with one&#039;s education -- I can&#039;t remember who said this, but I have found it to be true for learning languages. Rather than just comment, I would like to extend the argument. As far as I am aware, language learning technologies and methods have changed dramatically over the past two decades to better match with learners&#039; needs. But all of this has happened outside of schooling. Whenever I attend a language course at a university, be it a philology faculty, a modern language department or even a language centre set up for the express purposes of foreign/second language acquisition, I run into the same old unimaginative and sub-optimal teaching and methods. I write in English and German. All other languages I want for person-to-person communicative purposes, i.e. listening and speaking first, then maybe some reading. Be it Polish, Russian or Italian, I found that the classroom would not do, I had to do it myself, informally. And that was the right choice, because it was faster and more fun too. Thankfully, all kinds of advanced self-study courses are available now and then one can proceed to set up a language tandem or just go out and meet people. It works, so three cheers for nonformality!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One should never let the schooling interfere with one&#8217;s education &#8212; I can&#8217;t remember who said this, but I have found it to be true for learning languages. Rather than just comment, I would like to extend the argument. As far as I am aware, language learning technologies and methods have changed dramatically over the past two decades to better match with learners&#8217; needs. But all of this has happened outside of schooling. Whenever I attend a language course at a university, be it a philology faculty, a modern language department or even a language centre set up for the express purposes of foreign/second language acquisition, I run into the same old unimaginative and sub-optimal teaching and methods. I write in English and German. All other languages I want for person-to-person communicative purposes, i.e. listening and speaking first, then maybe some reading. Be it Polish, Russian or Italian, I found that the classroom would not do, I had to do it myself, informally. And that was the right choice, because it was faster and more fun too. Thankfully, all kinds of advanced self-study courses are available now and then one can proceed to set up a language tandem or just go out and meet people. It works, so three cheers for nonformality!</p>
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