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	<title>Comments on: ICL is not enough</title>
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		<title>By: Andreas Karsten</title>
		<link>http://www.nonformality.org/2005/09/icl-is-not-enough/#comment-20970</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Karsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Danit, that&#039;s the nice thing about the web -- even 4,5 years later you can ask a question, not bad at all :) Let&#039;s see whether Ulrich gets the notification and has time to respond. Andreas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Danit, that&#8217;s the nice thing about the web &#8212; even 4,5 years later you can ask a question, not bad at all :) Let&#8217;s see whether Ulrich gets the notification and has time to respond. Andreas</p>
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		<title>By: Danit Gal</title>
		<link>http://www.nonformality.org/2005/09/icl-is-not-enough/#comment-20969</link>
		<dc:creator>Danit Gal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ulrich, 
I work on a cross cultural training and mainly focus on China and the West. I lived in China for 5 years and now I live in Germany. 
I saw your question above and I guess it is quite late to respond on that however, I am very curious to know how did it go, did you try that? what was the setting concept eventually and how was the group dynamic. 
Thanks, Danit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ulrich,<br />
I work on a cross cultural training and mainly focus on China and the West. I lived in China for 5 years and now I live in Germany.<br />
I saw your question above and I guess it is quite late to respond on that however, I am very curious to know how did it go, did you try that? what was the setting concept eventually and how was the group dynamic.<br />
Thanks, Danit</p>
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		<title>By: Project characteristics</title>
		<link>http://www.nonformality.org/2005/09/icl-is-not-enough/#comment-8436</link>
		<dc:creator>Project characteristics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 08:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gavan (2005): Plastic, Political and Contingent. Culture and Intercultural Learning in DYS activities. Discussion document based on the evaluation of the LTTC Intercultural Learning and recent research [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gavan (2005): Plastic, Political and Contingent. Culture and Intercultural Learning in DYS activities. Discussion document based on the evaluation of the LTTC Intercultural Learning and recent research [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ulrich Hann</title>
		<link>http://www.nonformality.org/2005/09/icl-is-not-enough/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Ulrich Hann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I plan to use the Derdians in China in April. However I will work with 2 Chiense groups and make the engineers one Chinese group and the Derdians also as a Chinese group. We take this simulation game as a prelude to enter in conlfict management and central German &amp; Chiense cultural standards as well as an exrecise for feed back. Even if stereotypes may enter we shall make the Chinese the experts and let them decide where they think that the Derdians may live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I plan to use the Derdians in China in April. However I will work with 2 Chiense groups and make the engineers one Chinese group and the Derdians also as a Chinese group. We take this simulation game as a prelude to enter in conlfict management and central German &amp; Chiense cultural standards as well as an exrecise for feed back. Even if stereotypes may enter we shall make the Chinese the experts and let them decide where they think that the Derdians may live.</p>
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		<title>By: Yael</title>
		<link>http://www.nonformality.org/2005/09/icl-is-not-enough/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Yael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 15:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, and see my comment on Lene Morgensen&#039;s article on ICL in this edition. It also picks up on several key problems regarding ICL theory and practise in youth work outlined in Gavan Tiltey&#039;s paper. It&#039;s not only a matter of the construction of activities around static notions of culture. The problem is also one of a certain kind of unmediated altruism (viva tolerance! human rights! democracy!) that is being promoted by many youth programmes, advertently or inadvertently. Such terms, and the entire issue of the intercultural, are POLITICAL and must be treated as such. Hence, ICL is a form of learning for political literacy, in my opinion. 

That is one of the reason&#039;s why I really hope that the session on Human Rights during the upcoming research seminar can address the depoliticisation of the &quot;human&quot; and the seriously problematic reign of &quot;rights&quot;. I dont mean to say Human Rights are not important, but it worries me that they are considered enough (in other words, it is the legal rights which count and not their respect and sanction). The rhetoric of so many governments, institutions and NGOs goes in this direction, unfortunately. Considering the continuing failure of anyone to deal with the ongoing food crisis in Africa or the negative consequences for civil liberties of the war on terror, how can we meaningfully speak about human rights? Admittedly, in practise, human rights education as proposed in the DYS HRE programme does go some way to addressing such problems and tensions. But, for as long as human rights education remains the preserve of the civic sector, it will remain maginalised to some extent. During the first &quot;all different - all equal&quot; campaign we used to say that even minorities need intercultural learning. Today, I believe more than ever that governments and institutions desperately need human rights education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, and see my comment on Lene Morgensen&#8217;s article on ICL in this edition. It also picks up on several key problems regarding ICL theory and practise in youth work outlined in Gavan Tiltey&#8217;s paper. It&#8217;s not only a matter of the construction of activities around static notions of culture. The problem is also one of a certain kind of unmediated altruism (viva tolerance! human rights! democracy!) that is being promoted by many youth programmes, advertently or inadvertently. Such terms, and the entire issue of the intercultural, are POLITICAL and must be treated as such. Hence, ICL is a form of learning for political literacy, in my opinion. </p>
<p>That is one of the reason&#8217;s why I really hope that the session on Human Rights during the upcoming research seminar can address the depoliticisation of the &#8220;human&#8221; and the seriously problematic reign of &#8220;rights&#8221;. I dont mean to say Human Rights are not important, but it worries me that they are considered enough (in other words, it is the legal rights which count and not their respect and sanction). The rhetoric of so many governments, institutions and NGOs goes in this direction, unfortunately. Considering the continuing failure of anyone to deal with the ongoing food crisis in Africa or the negative consequences for civil liberties of the war on terror, how can we meaningfully speak about human rights? Admittedly, in practise, human rights education as proposed in the DYS HRE programme does go some way to addressing such problems and tensions. But, for as long as human rights education remains the preserve of the civic sector, it will remain maginalised to some extent. During the first &#8220;all different &#8211; all equal&#8221; campaign we used to say that even minorities need intercultural learning. Today, I believe more than ever that governments and institutions desperately need human rights education.</p>
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		<title>By: Alana</title>
		<link>http://www.nonformality.org/2005/09/icl-is-not-enough/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Alana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 11:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This report is very timely and takes into account some of the burning issues regarding intercultural learning and the way it is used when working with young people. Some of these issues were discussed during a research seminar on “Resituating Culture</p>
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